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    FAQ OF THE INTERNET BBQ LIST

    Version 2.0

    Section 10.8

    Lamb, Venison and Fish


    10.8 Lamb

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    [Can you give us some pointers on smoking lamb?]

    Jeffrey Cohen--

    I picked up a small (3 lb.) boneless lamb shoulder roast recently. It was rolled in a kind of net. I rubbed it with salt, pepper, garlic powder and oregano and put it in my Cookshack smoker (an electric Lazy-Q smoker). I used oak and some hickory pellets for smoke. I gave it 5 hours at 180-190F. The 5 hours smoking time related more to how much time I had than anything scientific, but I thought that would be a good guess. The internal temperature was 143F when I took it out. It was pink, tender and delicious, and that's how we like 'em.

    I made a thin sauce out of roughly equal parts rice vinegar, Dijon mustard and mirin (sweet cooking sake). It occurred to me later that this would make a good last second glaze in the style of Danny Gaulden's mustard glaze for ribs (see Danny's rib post). The sauce was pretty tasty, but next time I'll try it with raspberry vinegar instead of rice vinegar. And maybe honey might be better than mirin. Heck, I could change the mustard to horseradish and no one would ever recognize me.

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    Glenn the BBQCHEF--

    In a recent barbecue competition, I used a rack of lamb and had the butcher take off the fat lip and had him remove the backbone. I dry rubbed it with black pepper, garlic, onion, tarragon, basil and sugar. I put it on the grill for about 5 min on each side to give it an even brown then moved it off the direct heat, closed the lid and at about 350F smoked it for 20 min. Took it off 10 min before judging and then sliced it between the bones. The middle of the eye, about the size of a quarter, was rare, not dripping rare, but cooked rare. I cooked two of these and gave one batch to the judges and sampled one for myself. I knew there was no way I could lose. It was so tender and tasty. I saw most of my competition dipping their lamb in tomato sauce. You can't do that to lamb; you have to be a purist with lamb.

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    William Ackerman--

    Did a garlicky/minty leg of lamb in the smoker yesterday and it came out so good I thought I'd share with the porch. Rather than insert slivers of garlic into the meat and apply a rub to the surface, I applied an herb puree to the inside of a boned, butterflied leg and rolled and tied it up.

    Ackerman's Lamb Puree Marinade

    Amount

    Measure Ingredient Preparation Method

    4

    tablespoons garlic roasted

    3

    tablespoons Italian parsley finely chopped

    2

    tablespoons fresh mint finely chopped

    1

    tablespoons fresh thyme finely chopped

    1 1/2

    teaspoon fresh rosemary finely chopped

    1

    teaspoon salt  

    1

    teaspoon black pepper freshly ground

    I rubbed the outside with oil, salt and pepper. Cooked at about 250F with cherry wood until internal temperature was 130F (medium rare).

    This was adapted from the Gotham Bar and Grill Cookbook (ISBN 0-385-48210-8).

     

    10.9 Venison

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    [How about a barbecued venison recipe?]

    Jim Moore--

    I've only been smoking venison roasts for about two seasons now so I'm no expert at it, but here's a few things I've learned or observed.

    Most important - Don't overcook the meat or it will be as dry and chewy as a poorly cooked brisket.

    When I didn't use a rub the meat tended to get a hard and crispy exterior that I didn't care for all that much. It also would stop the smoke penetration into the meat. The rub kept the outer part pliable and yielded, IMHO, a much better product. So don't overcook the meat.

    Smoked Venison Roast

    Southern Dry Rub

    Amount

    Measure Ingredient Preparation Method

    1/4

    cup black pepper freshly ground

    1/4

    cup paprika get at beer supply store

    1/4

    cup corn sugar  

    2

    tablespoons salt  

    2

    teaspoons dry mustard  

    1

    teaspoon cayenne pepper ground

    Defrost the roast if frozen. Sprinkle on rub. Rewrap and put in refrigerator for several hours (preferably overnight). When ready to smoke, take out of refrigerator, sprinkle on more rub, and let it sit for an hour.

    Get smoker ready and up to 200F. Smoke (I use hickory or mesquite) for about 1 hour to 1.5 hours per pound. Take off, let rest for fifteen minutes, slice, and eat up. Best venison roast I ever had.

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    Pat Lehnherr--

    Here's a rub recipe I posted some time ago for venison. When I created this recipe, I wanted a rub that would complement the smoke but not hide the venison flavor, so it's fairly mild as rubs go. I used cherry wood to smoke it and highly recommend it if you can get it. If you don't have access to that, I would guess that oak or pecan would be good. I wouldn't use mesquite as I think the smoke flavor from that would overpower the venison flavor.

    Venison roast is extremely lean for barbecuing, but it can be done. I'd go with a higher than normal temperature, maybe 300F or so. Unless you got an old mossy horn, it's already tender enough and you don't want to dry it out. I don't recall the time it took, so watch it closely. If I had to guess, I'd say 3 to 4 hours, depending on the size, but that's only a guess.

    Pat's Venison Rub

    Amount

    Measure Ingredient Preparation Method

    1

    tablespoon rosemary  

    2

    teaspoons sumac berries ground

    1

    teaspoon dried orange peel  

    2

    teaspoons tarragon  

    2

    teaspoons basil  

    This turned out great but wasn't quite right. The sumac berries were awesome! They have a tart but mild flavor. I found out about these while perusing a Penzey's catalog (414) 574-0277 Click here to go to Penzey's Web site.  I bought the sumac berries out of curiosity and use them regularly now. The rub does need another flavor, though I think I could get rid of the basil. Next time I'll try a little coriander or thyme and some white pepper. I also plan on creating a version of this rub for chicken.

     

    10.10 Fish

    Editor--

    The methods and recipes below are for hot smoking fish as opposed to cold smoking. Cold smoking fish is for preservation of the meat and is not the subject of this FAQ.

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    [How about some tips on hot smoking fish on my smoker?]

    Dave Frary--

    Fish should be soaked in a salt water brine for a few hours before smoking. It prevents the meat from getting mushy during the cooking. Cooking times are relatively short with fish.

    This recipe will work with Mackerel, Bluefish, Salmon, and even Cod.

    If you catch the fish yourself, cut through their throat to bleed them while they're still alive. Put them head down in a bucket so they'll pump out as much blood as possible. Wash and chill the whole fish until you can fillet them. Early in the morning of the day you're going to smoke, wash 4 to 6 fillets and place them in a brine made from:

    Dave Frary's Brine For Fish Smoking

    Amount

    Measure Ingredient Preparation Method

    1

    quart cold water  

    1/3

    cup Kosher salt  

    1/4

    cup sugar  

    1

    teaspoon black, red or other peppers to taste

    Mix this together in a glass or enamel bowl; add the fish and submerge the fillets with a weight to hold them under the brine. Brine the fillets in the refrigerator from 2 to 4 hours (longer makes the fish saltier).

    Remove the fillets and wipe dry with paper towels. Place them, skin side down, on several thicknesses of dry paper towels and let them air dry for several hours. The surface is dry enough when your finger sticks to the flesh.

    Hot smoke over a 250F wood fire for about 2 hours or until the fillets are firm to the touch (like medium rare steak).

    Peel off the skin and serve.

    ===============

    Here's a great grilled fish recipe:

    Grilled Fish Marinade

    Amount

    Measure Ingredient Preparation Method

    1

    small onion chopped

    1

    tablespoon brown sugar  

    1/4

    cup cider vinegar  

    2

    tablespoons catsup  

    2

    tablespoons dry mustard  

    1

    teaspoon Worcestershire sauce  

    1/4

    teaspoon ground cloves  

    1

    teaspoon chili powder  

    1/4

    teaspoon cayenne pepper  

    1 1/2

    pounds firm whitefish fillets such as red snapper or halibut  

    Combine all sauce ingredients in a pot, place over medium heat and boil until reduced to a thin syrup. Pour the syrup through a strainer, discard the onion in the strainer and chill the syrup. Place fish steaks or fillets in a baking dish and spoon some syrup over them. Marinate in the refrigerator for 1 hour. Cook the fish on a hot grill, basting with a teaspoon of barbecue syrup on each side.

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    [Anyone got recipes for grilling and smoking salmon?]

    Dave Frary--

    Smoked Salmon Marinade from Backwoods Frank

    Salmon Marinade No. 1 - (Enough brine for two large Salmon fillets)

    Amount

    Measure Ingredient Preparation Method

    1/2

    gallon hot water  

    1/2

    cup Kosher salt  

    1-1/2

    cup brown sugar  

    3

    tablespoons garlic powder  

    3

    tablespoons black pepper coarse grind

    1/2

    cup soy sauce  

    1

    tablespoon bay leaves crushed

    Add ingredients to hot water and stir until dissolved. Allow brine to cool. Add salmon fillets, soak covered for 3 hours in refrigerator. Remove fillets and air dry for at least 1 hour. Smoke in a single layer for about 2 hours at 250F or until firm and golden.

     

    Salmon Marinade No. 2 - (Enough brine for two large Salmon fillets.)

    Amount

    Measure Ingredient Preparation Method

    3

    cups water  

    1

    cup soy sauce  

    1/3

    cup brown sugar  

    1/3

    cup white sugar  

    1/3

    cup Kosher salt  

    1/2

    teaspoon onion powder  

    1/2

    teaspoon garlic powder  

    1/2

    teaspoon black pepper freshly ground

    Stir until ingredients are dissolved. Marinate fillets overnight. Air dry fillets and smoke as usual.

     

    Smoke-Grilled Salmon

    Amount

    Measure Ingredient Preparation Method

    1

    teaspoon lime rind grated

    1/4

    cup lime juice  

    1

    tablespoon vegetable oil  

    1

    teaspoon Dijon mustard  

    1

    pinch pepper  

    4

      salmon steaks cut 1-inch thick

    1/3

    cup toasted sesame seed optional

    In shallow dish, combine lime rind and juice, oil, mustard and pepper; add fish, turning to coat. Cover and marinate at room temperature for 30 minutes, turning occasionally.

    Reserving marinade, remove fish; sprinkle with sesame seed. Place on greased grill directly over medium heat. Add soaked wood chips. Cover and cook, turning and basting with marinade halfway through, for 16-20 minutes or until fish flakes easily when tested with fork.

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    Ryan Hamilton--

    Grilled Cedar Plank Salmon

    Amount

    Measure Ingredient Preparation Method

    2

      salmon fillets  

    2

      thin untreated cedar planks

    1/4

    cup ginger chopped

    2

    tablespoons lime or lemon zest finely chopped

    2

    tablespoons orange zest finely chopped

    1

    dash salt and pepper  

    2

    tablespoons Cajun or Creole spice mix recipe follows

    1

    teaspoon thyme  

    1

    teaspoon paprika  

    1

    teaspoon salt, (this is optional  

    1

    teaspoon garlic powder  

    1

    teaspoon cayenne pepper  

    1

    teaspoon black pepper  

    1

    teaspoon white pepper  

    I tried this recipe last weekend, and it was amazing. This is a variant of a signature dish of Emeril Lagasse (of the TVFN fame). The original recipe used horseradish and trout instead of ginger and salmon.

    I had a hard time finding thin cedar planks (shingles) sold singly in the local hardware store, they seemed to only sell them in bunches of 40. I did however find untreated cedar shims that I was able to make do with.

    So anyway, here's what you do. Preheat your grill and oil up one side of the cedar with your olive oil. Sprinkle a bit of the Cajun seasoning on the plank, and lay the filet of salmon on top. Season the filet with salt, pepper, and the spice mix. Cover the filet completely with the ginger and zest -- this adds flavor and helps the fish retain all of its moisture. Put the whole thing directly on the grill over the coals (cedar plank side down), close the lid, and stand back! The thing will smoke like crazy for a while. Check on the salmon after 15 minutes. If the plank catches on fire before the salmon is done, simply spray it with some water (I had to do this a couple times).

    When the salmon is done, you can either serve the whole thing with the cedar flaming around the edges, or remove it from the cedar plank and serve. You may wish to remove most of the crushed ginger topping as it is a bit overpowering.

    A nice sauce to accompany this can be made with soy sauce, green onions, and sesame oil. I don't know the measurements, I just winged it.

    =================

    Bear's Smoked Salmon

    Amount

    Measure Ingredient Preparation Method

    1

    cup brown sugar  

    1

    cup salt  

    1/4

    cup lemon pepper  

    1

    large whole salmon cut into steaks

    Mix all the dry items for rub.

    Lay out a piece of plastic wrap long enough to wrap both filets well. Lay a filet scales down 5 inches up from the bottom of the wrap (lengthwise so the ends are left open). Pack all the "rub" on top of the filet. Lay the other side face down into the "rubbed" fish". You should now have the semblance of a sugar stuffed fishy.

    Flip the bottom of the wrap up over the top of the fish and wrap it tightly (leaving the ends open).

    Put on a cookie rack (or some such) in a baking dish and in the refrigerator. Let sit for 24 hours. Brown water will roll out of the ends that you left open.

    Remove from wrap and scrape off excess rub. Let stand and air dry for 3 hours.

    Smoke at 160F for 2-4 hours (when it starts to flake apart with a fork, it's done). I like to use cherry wood this.

    ===============

    Bob's Grilled Salmon

    Amount

    Measure Ingredient Preparation Method

    4

    4-6 oz. salmon steaks  

    3

    tablespoons melted butter  

    1

    tablespoon lemon juice  

    1

    tablespoon white wine vinegar  

    1/4

    teaspoon grated lemon peel  

    1/4

    teaspoon garlic salt  

    1/4

    teaspoon salt  

    1

    dash hot pepper sauce -- (optional  

    Combine the sauce ingredients stirring thoroughly. Generously brush both sides of the salmon steaks with mixture.

    Grill on a well-oiled grill over hot coals. Make a tent of foil or use barbecue cover and place over salmon. Grill 6-8 minutes per side depending on the thickness of your steaks. Baste frequently. Turn once, brushing with sauce. Steaks should flake easily when tested with a fork.

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    [I hot smoked a salmon steak in my NBBD the other day without brining and it came out perfect. Why do experienced fish smokers say to brine fish before I smoke it?]

    Editor--Summary of several posts--

    List members report that brining fish before hot smoking fish is optional. Brining before hot smoking a fish steak or filet firms up the flesh and improves the flavor but it is not necessary to brine the fish prior to smoking to get a good product. Do a side by side comparison, a piece of the same fish with brine and one without and see which you like best.

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    [I have heard a rumor that smoking fish leaves an odor in the smoker that remains long after the fish has been devoured. I was wondering if there is any truth to this?]

    Charles Hersey--

    We heard this claim on the List --that fish might foul a smoker. As I recall, it wasn't a valid claim for the most part. I have an electric smoker that is unaffected by smoking fish.

    Editor--

    Many List members smoke fish in their home smokers. No one has reported that the smoker has been fouled by doing this. Perhaps when smoking oily fish, such as bonito or mackerel, there might be some odor than lingers. We suggest that after smoking fish, the smoker be cleaned with Simple Green and all traces of grease from previous smoking sessions be removed.